Guy Under The Bridge

I've searched these newsgroups thoughruly and still don't have a
recommendation.

Ok.

I have had previous expience with belt-drive Gemini turntables, my big
issue with these is that the pitch simply would not keep to being
faithful.

Say for instance i found a perfect beatmix bpm for two tracks. Let's
say i did
not touch anything. For a minute straight it would be beatmixing
great. Then
lets say I would then pause the record with my hand, and then let it
go
again and 'catch' the beat back into the mix. What would happen is
that
the beats would be totally thrown off and i would have to re-adjust
the pitch.

This just isn't acceptable and prevents me from mixing.

Now since i'm not a pro, I do NOT want to spend a lot of money on this
equipment. However, what makes the hobby fun is being able to beatmix
and
have control of what your playing. I can't be cursing my turntables
for just
being defective or not designed properly.

I don't want to have to readjust everything everytime the platter is
touched.

Now can someone please tell me if there are turntables that are able
to
do this around the $200 range? I was looking at the Numark TT200's. As
long
as the turntables can *function* correctly and will just keep it's
pitch
in tact is all i care about.

And yes, i am willing to get a pair of black, shiny, new
http://www.123dj.com/packages/newpaks/sl1210pr.html

but only if I really need to!

And one other thing, how well do 1200's keep their resale value?

Mo Saycool

"Guy Under The Bridge" <GUTB@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've searched these newsgroups thoughruly and still don't have a
> recommendation.
>
[snip]
> And yes, i am willing to get a pair of black, shiny, new
> http://www.123dj.com/packages/newpaks/sl1210pr.html
>
> but only if I really need to!
[snip]

If you've got the cash to buy Technics, then I think you'll find it's well
worth it. I used to play out a lot, but have not done so for the last few
years and I still couldn't be parted from my 1200s. Why not go to the shop
and try them out if you're not sure. Most dealers will set up a system for
you to try out a few different decks on.

Guy Under The Bridge

"Mo Saycool" <steve@NOSPAMdarcyryan.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3fafe58d$0$262$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com> ...

> If you've got the cash to buy Technics, then I think you'll find it's well
> worth it. I used to play out a lot, but have not done so for the last few
> years and I still couldn't be parted from my 1200s. Why not go to the shop
> and try them out if you're not sure. Most dealers will set up a system for
> you to try out a few different decks on.

Well I spent the whole day today at work researching
and trying my best to find unbiased opinions (cause
yes people buy stuff and just over that alone they
think what they have is the best).

What I found was the truth. And the truth always hurts.
A good TT will keep faithful to your pitch control and
go where you want it to. You should be able to touch and
move the record while spinning without the pitch getting
ruined. You should *not* have to keep re-adjusting the
pitch over and over after you have found a cue point and
beat mix tempo.

Now the thing people may not realize are that turntables
are highly advanced peices of mechanical equipment. Eveything
from materials used, to the weight, and solidness of the
platter, the action of the motor, and method of keeping
the pitch, the tone arm, etc is paramount to the final
product. If something is out of wack, the whole system
faulters.

I finally found a msg board in the UK where people would
post asking questions about their turntables and such.
(http://www.djsource.co.uk) and after reading page after
page of the messege board I realized that the staton Str8's,
Numarks TT's, etc. etc. are all just garbage and are simply
engineered improperly.

People with Str8 100's complaining of poor pitch retention,
rumbling on record cue (a problem which is caused by poor
platter/vibration control), Numark TT owners complaining of
almost defective direct drive motor speeds that slow down
after 30 min of play. Just because a vendor claims their
TT has more torque than the 12xx's, it does NOT mean they
will work well if you can't even do something like cue a
record and keep the tempo going for a mix.

If you have a big engine in a car, but the tires need to be
refilled with air every 10 min, what good is the car?

From what I've read, anything but the Technic 12xx turntables
are simply *not* built up to standards and just fall short
in general. I think there is a Vestax that compares well
actually but who cares when you can have something proven
to last and work.

Why should anyone looking to get into practicing practice
on something that will hold you back and not perform the
way it should? Why should someone spend all their money on
delicious house records each month just to not be able to
beat mix them or stugle in doing so?

Technic's are a good choice for the beginner because if
you decide you've 'grown' out of it, then you can always
sell them for almost the cost you got them for. So
why not put a pair on your credit card?

If you are into scratching then IMO you are just using
the turntables to play as a toy so get what the hell
you want and enjoy your play time.

If you are into the *music* and mix like I am, then you'll
purchase something that actually *works* - the technic
12xx's. 'Deep deep inside, deep deep down inside'

But hey, if you have no problems beatmixing and keeping
pitch on your Str8's, Gemini's or Numarks, then please
i'm all ears.

Am I wrong here??

Mo Saycool

"Guy Under The Bridge" <GUTB@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[snip]
> Technic's are a good choice for the beginner because if
> you decide you've 'grown' out of it, then you can always
> sell them for almost the cost you got them for. So
> why not put a pair on your credit card?
[snip]
> Am I wrong here??

No. I would certainly buy a pair if I were you.

The-Studio

>
> What I found was the truth. And the truth always hurts.
> A good TT will keep faithful to your pitch control and
> go where you want it to. You should be able to touch and
> move the record while spinning without the pitch getting
> ruined. You should *not* have to keep re-adjusting the
> pitch over and over after you have found a cue point and
> beat mix tempo.

Only use Technics myself these days, but back in the early 90s when I
started out, I made do with the dodgiest pair of shit belt-drives in the
world, however I think these are very useful as they teach you the skills
better.

Yeah as you're finding at the moment, you have to constantly adjust the
pitch after you have found it, however they do teach you a sharp ear for
differences, and if you learn to quickly compensate this before anyone
notices, it can be an invaluable tool to have.

Of course if you want rock-solid decks u gonna need to spend a bit more cash
I feel, you do get what you pay for.

D