Gary Walker

After cruising this, as well as other, DJ related groups, I
find the volume of information on this subject, confusing.

Specifically, very confusing....

So, is there a definitive answer/reference to this question?

"If, as a commercial, for profit venture, one wants to play
unaltered licensed music during events such as parties,
bars, dances, etc., can it be done legally"?

TIA,

Gary

Kegger

In the US you would need to have a ASCAP, BMI, SESAC license...

Gary Walker wrote:
> After cruising this, as well as other, DJ related groups, I
> find the volume of information on this subject, confusing.
>
> Specifically, very confusing....
>
> So, is there a definitive answer/reference to this question?
>
> "If, as a commercial, for profit venture, one wants to play
> unaltered licensed music during events such as parties,
> bars, dances, etc., can it be done legally"?
>
> TIA,
>
> Gary
>
>

Gary Walker

"Kegger" <dutchhard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9RLNe.14610$1J2.142416@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> In the US you would need to have a ASCAP, BMI, SESAC license...
>
> Gary Walker wrote:
> > After cruising this, as well as other, DJ related groups, I
> > find the volume of information on this subject, confusing.
> >
> > Specifically, very confusing....
> >
> > So, is there a definitive answer/reference to this question?
> >
> > "If, as a commercial, for profit venture, one wants to play
> > unaltered licensed music during events such as parties,
> > bars, dances, etc., can it be done legally"?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >

Well, while I easily understand your response, that raises
a plethora of additional questions, which I'll defer with
this question:

Can I find out the details on those licenses online, or must
I contact those organizations?

Thanks,

Gary

Kegger

From what I understand they now have a single collection by one of the
agencies to cover all of the licensing requirements. At least that is
how it works here in North Carolina. If you contact any of the
organizations they should be able to tell you more. Licensing for
resturants and bars etc are based on seating capacity and number of
times per month you will have performances. Now a couple things to
consider. If you have Internet Jukebox or Digital Cable Music you are
covered for playing recorded music in your club. This is what I have
been told by these organizations. You are not covered if you have a
Jukebox. That is a seperate license.
It's more like a Pandora's box since the rules seem to change to fit the
whim of the license holder.

Dutch

Gary Walker wrote:
> "Kegger" <dutchhard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:9RLNe.14610$1J2.142416@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>
>>In the US you would need to have a ASCAP, BMI, SESAC license...
>>
>>Gary Walker wrote:
>>
>>>After cruising this, as well as other, DJ related groups, I
>>>find the volume of information on this subject, confusing.
>>>
>>>Specifically, very confusing....
>>>
>>>So, is there a definitive answer/reference to this question?
>>>
>>>"If, as a commercial, for profit venture, one wants to play
>>>unaltered licensed music during events such as parties,
>>>bars, dances, etc., can it be done legally"?
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Gary
>>>
>>>
>
>
> Well, while I easily understand your response, that raises
> a plethora of additional questions, which I'll defer with
> this question:
>
> Can I find out the details on those licenses online, or must
> I contact those organizations?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary
>
>

Gary Walker

"Kegger" <dutchhard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:68ONe.11433$ll3.182699@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> From what I understand they now have a single collection by one of the
> agencies to cover all of the licensing requirements. At least that is
> how it works here in North Carolina. If you contact any of the
> organizations they should be able to tell you more. Licensing for
> resturants and bars etc are based on seating capacity and number of
> times per month you will have performances. Now a couple things to
> consider. If you have Internet Jukebox or Digital Cable Music you are
> covered for playing recorded music in your club. This is what I have
> been told by these organizations. You are not covered if you have a
> Jukebox. That is a seperate license.
> It's more like a Pandora's box since the rules seem to change to fit the
> whim of the license holder.
>
> Dutch
>
> Gary Walker wrote:
> > "Kegger" <dutchhard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:9RLNe.14610$1J2.142416@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> >
> >>In the US you would need to have a ASCAP, BMI, SESAC license...
> >>
> >>Gary Walker wrote:
> >>
> >>>After cruising this, as well as other, DJ related groups, I
> >>>find the volume of information on this subject, confusing.
> >>>
> >>>Specifically, very confusing....
> >>>
> >>>So, is there a definitive answer/reference to this question?
> >>>
> >>>"If, as a commercial, for profit venture, one wants to play
> >>>unaltered licensed music during events such as parties,
> >>>bars, dances, etc., can it be done legally"?
> >>>
> >>>TIA,
> >>>
> >>>Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> > Well, while I easily understand your response, that raises
> > a plethora of additional questions, which I'll defer with
> > this question:
> >
> > Can I find out the details on those licenses online, or must
> > I contact those organizations?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >


First, let me thank you for your input.

Next, your "Pandora's box" comment is exactly what I am
finding. I don't understand if it's purposely vague to facili-
tate the *moving target* scenario, or just to allow select-
ive enforcement. But, I think I'm on solid ground when I
say that anything this interpretative certainly can't be followed.

Thanks again, for the comments.

Gary

Kegger

I don't think it is a moving target as such it's that they are still
trying to figure out after all this time how to deal with the businesss
of DJ's and KJ's and the digital world.
As of now the copyright laws don't allow for format shifting from say CD
to MP3 but in order to stay current with the latest releases you almost
have to format shift.
It's a mess and even the manufacturers don't quite know what to make of
all of it.

Gary Walker wrote:
> "Kegger" <dutchhard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:68ONe.11433$ll3.182699@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
>
>>From what I understand they now have a single collection by one of the
>>agencies to cover all of the licensing requirements. At least that is
>>how it works here in North Carolina. If you contact any of the
>>organizations they should be able to tell you more. Licensing for
>>resturants and bars etc are based on seating capacity and number of
>>times per month you will have performances. Now a couple things to
>>consider. If you have Internet Jukebox or Digital Cable Music you are
>>covered for playing recorded music in your club. This is what I have
>>been told by these organizations. You are not covered if you have a
>>Jukebox. That is a seperate license.
>>It's more like a Pandora's box since the rules seem to change to fit the
>>whim of the license holder.
>>
>>Dutch
>>
>>Gary Walker wrote:
>>
>>>"Kegger" <dutchhard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:9RLNe.14610$1J2.142416@twister.southeast.r r.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In the US you would need to have a ASCAP, BMI, SESAC license...
>>>>
>>>>Gary Walker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>After cruising this, as well as other, DJ related groups, I
>>>>>find the volume of information on this subject, confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Specifically, very confusing....
>>>>>
>>>>>So, is there a definitive answer/reference to this question?
>>>>>
>>>>>"If, as a commercial, for profit venture, one wants to play
>>>>>unaltered licensed music during events such as parties,
>>>>>bars, dances, etc., can it be done legally"?
>>>>>
>>>>>TIA,
>>>>>
>>>>>Gary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, while I easily understand your response, that raises
>>>a plethora of additional questions, which I'll defer with
>>>this question:
>>>
>>>Can I find out the details on those licenses online, or must
>>>I contact those organizations?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Gary
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
> First, let me thank you for your input.
>
> Next, your "Pandora's box" comment is exactly what I am
> finding. I don't understand if it's purposely vague to facili-
> tate the *moving target* scenario, or just to allow select-
> ive enforcement. But, I think I'm on solid ground when I
> say that anything this interpretative certainly can't be followed.
>
> Thanks again, for the comments.
>
> Gary
>
>

Krissi B

i don't know if it's the same in the states, but at the moment in the uk, if
you own original copies you can work anywhere for profit as long as it has a
PPL / PRS licence. The venue has the music licence and you are safe in their
venue.

Outdoor events are much more complicated!!

Krissi B

Gary Walker

"Krissi B" <djkrissib@djcentral.com> wrote in message
news:430d7865_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> i don't know if it's the same in the states, but at the moment in the uk,
if
> you own original copies you can work anywhere for profit as long as it has
a
> PPL / PRS licence. The venue has the music licence and you are safe in
their
> venue.
>
> Outdoor events are much more complicated!!
>
> Krissi B
>
>

Thanks. Based on my limited replies, and further research,
I think it is different in the US. Actually, although I don't
know what a "PPL / PRS" license is, it may well be sim-
ilar here, but so few venues have the required license(s).

Gary

Krissi B

PPL - PHONOGRAPHIC PERFORMANCE LTD
PRS - PERFORMING RIGHTS SOCIETY
MCPS - MECHANICAL COPYRIGHT PROTECTION SOCIETY

THE BIG DOGS IN THE UK

CHRIS

Gary Walker

Thx...

Gary



"Krissi B" <djkrissib@djcentral.com> wrote in message
news:4310272e$1_3@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> PPL - PHONOGRAPHIC PERFORMANCE LTD
> PRS - PERFORMING RIGHTS SOCIETY
> MCPS - MECHANICAL COPYRIGHT PROTECTION SOCIETY
>
> THE BIG DOGS IN THE UK
>
> CHRIS
>
>

BJtheDJ

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:41:16 +0100, "Krissi B" <djkrissib@djcentral.com>
wrote:

>PPL - PHONOGRAPHIC PERFORMANCE LTD
>PRS - PERFORMING RIGHTS SOCIETY
>MCPS - MECHANICAL COPYRIGHT PROTECTION SOCIETY
>
>THE BIG DOGS IN THE UK
>
>CHRIS
>

Ignore all of the above, go to www.digitaldj.co.uk and buy a licence that's
sanctioned by them.

cheers

BJ

Only users lose drugs.

ROT13 this <OWgurQW@hfn.arg> to contact me.

anjii

things have moved on a tad bit.....but it gets complicated now with nes
digital licence...
applies it the uk and i think in E.U..

details here

www.digitaldj.co.uk






"Kegger" <dutchhard@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9RLNe.14610$1J2.142416@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> In the US you would need to have a ASCAP, BMI, SESAC license...
>
> Gary Walker wrote:
>> After cruising this, as well as other, DJ related groups, I
>> find the volume of information on this subject, confusing.
>>
>> Specifically, very confusing....
>>
>> So, is there a definitive answer/reference to this question?
>>
>> "If, as a commercial, for profit venture, one wants to play
>> unaltered licensed music during events such as parties,
>> bars, dances, etc., can it be done legally"?
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Gary
>>