Meekoe

Hi,

I've used MJ Studio, Traktor, PCDJ (with the Numark Interface) and have come
to the conclusion that any DJ software or DJ system connected to a computer
is not suitable/stable for live performances. What I'd like to know is if
anyone reading this post has knows of and has used a kick-ass stand alone
unit. The only stand alone units I know of right now are CD/MP3 hybrid DJ
players made by all the common brands like American DJ, Gemini, and the high
end units made by Pioneer and Denon. Right now, I'm looking at the Denon
DN-D9000 Dual CD/MP3 Player as being probably one of the best candidates for
professional DJing with MP3s. Suggestions and comments are welcomed.

TIA

meekoe

Tim A

I don't know what you are talking about with this statement:

"any DJ software or DJ system connected to a computer is not suitable/stable
for live performances."

I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.


"Meekoe" <meekoe@cox.net> wrote in message
news:zMdDb.10460$pY.3589@fed1read04...
> Hi,
>
> I've used MJ Studio, Traktor, PCDJ (with the Numark Interface) and have
come
> to the conclusion that any DJ software or DJ system connected to a
computer
> is not suitable/stable for live performances. What I'd like to know is if
> anyone reading this post has knows of and has used a kick-ass stand alone
> unit. The only stand alone units I know of right now are CD/MP3 hybrid DJ
> players made by all the common brands like American DJ, Gemini, and the
high
> end units made by Pioneer and Denon. Right now, I'm looking at the Denon
> DN-D9000 Dual CD/MP3 Player as being probably one of the best candidates
for
> professional DJing with MP3s. Suggestions and comments are welcomed.
>
> TIA
>
> meekoe
>
>

Zippy

"Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:GYmDb.6$p43.702@eagle.america.net...
I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.

Totally agree. Got multiple systems out there. Clearly the guy either has
shite hardware or is not very computer litterate. PEBKAC....

Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair

see.kneel

"Meekoe" <meekoe@cox.net> wrote in message news:<zMdDb.10460$pY.3589@fed1read04>...
> Hi,
>
> I've used MJ Studio, Traktor, PCDJ (with the Numark Interface) and have come
> to the conclusion that any DJ software or DJ system connected to a computer
> is not suitable/stable for live performances. What I'd like to know is if
> anyone reading this post has knows of and has used a kick-ass stand alone
> unit. The only stand alone units I know of right now are CD/MP3 hybrid DJ
> players made by all the common brands like American DJ, Gemini, and the high
> end units made by Pioneer and Denon. Right now, I'm looking at the Denon
> DN-D9000 Dual CD/MP3 Player as being probably one of the best candidates for
> professional DJing with MP3s. Suggestions and comments are welcomed.
>
> TIA
>
> meekoe

You might try posting this question at
alt.music.makers.dj
or
alt.music.mobile-djs

see.kneel

Tim A

Must be an ID 10T error.


"Zippy" <zippy@lostinspace.com> wrote in message
news:rtnDb.1102$tQ6.16862@wards.force9.net...
>
> "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:GYmDb.6$p43.702@eagle.america.net...
> I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.
>
> Totally agree. Got multiple systems out there. Clearly the guy either has
> shite hardware or is not very computer litterate. PEBKAC....
>
> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
>
>

Smith

I understand his point because I've used all those programs myself. A PC
has more issues to deal with than a CD-based DJ system. For one thing,
Windows can just crash or lock-up for a million different reasons even if
you have it configured to what you believe is fool proof. Also, these
programs require a top notch PC which is time consuming to get into and does
take you away from focusing on DJing. We all know that once we get into
building the bomb system, we all go into geek mode and do more research and
shopping for the gear and components than we spend time on using it. It's
all part of the whole "electronic/pc/gadget rat-race." And we're never
satisfied either when we build the system... always doing more research and
upgrading. I bet the majority of people that have phat systems are have
spent just as much time on it or more than they have actually using it for
their main purpose of building it. So, now I pay some geek to build a
system for me when I want one. But, about the stand alone unit.... I'm
looking into get one myself and I definately see the value in it. A lot of
DJ manufacturers are starting to come out with dope units. I'm looking at
the Denon and Numark. Pioneer really doesn't have a dual CD DJ system that
supports MP3s yet I don't think.
But the Numark MPCD33 is only $499 U.S. and has a dual cd player with a bpm
counter. Check it out on the net. Looks like the best buy. Well, that's
my opinion. The other guys probably wont agree because they already replied
with a rude comment to you, but hopefully this helped you and other people
out there.

Best Regards,

Mr. Smith



"Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> Must be an ID 10T error.
>
>
> "Zippy" <zippy@lostinspace.com> wrote in message
> news:rtnDb.1102$tQ6.16862@wards.force9.net...
> >
> > "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > news:GYmDb.6$p43.702@eagle.america.net...
> > I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.
> >
> > Totally agree. Got multiple systems out there. Clearly the guy either
has
> > shite hardware or is not very computer litterate. PEBKAC....
> >
> > Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
> >
> >
>
>

Dutch

That's a 1D 10T Error... never give them the I.....

"Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:B4oDb.14$p43.787@eagle.america.net...
> Must be an ID 10T error.
>
>
> "Zippy" <zippy@lostinspace.com> wrote in message
> news:rtnDb.1102$tQ6.16862@wards.force9.net...
> >
> > "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > news:GYmDb.6$p43.702@eagle.america.net...
> > I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.
> >
> > Totally agree. Got multiple systems out there. Clearly the guy either
has
> > shite hardware or is not very computer litterate. PEBKAC....
> >
> > Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
> >
> >
>
>

Dutch

You guys are so funny. I run PCDJ RED on one system and Sax and Dotty's on
my other. Both systems are running Windows 2000 with the latest updates.
Both systems are used 4 days per week for 4 to 8 hours at a time. for the
past Year and never not once have I had a issue with either of them. Never
have I had a crash. One system is running Intel and the other is AMD. Both
systems are running 512 meg of memory, 80 gig hard drive for the D drive and
the C drive is a 40 gig in both. The sound cards I'm using are cheapie cards
with one exception the 3D sound must be turned on for it to sound full and I
EQ it all through my Mixer.
My two computers cost me $100 each they are both only 700 Mhz systems. Now
anyone who is having problems needs to look at what they are loading on
their systems. If you load anything on a DJ system that you don't need to do
a show you deserve what you get .;. Problems. If on the other hand you are
loading and finding you are having issues then you need to look at your
drivers for your other devices. I don't have this issue as I'm running 2000
and stick with the standard Windows drivers and I have no issues whatsoever.

"Smith" <info@theworldsmostbeautiful.com> wrote in message
news:a2tDb.13237$pY.7874@fed1read04...
> I understand his point because I've used all those programs myself. A PC
> has more issues to deal with than a CD-based DJ system. For one thing,
> Windows can just crash or lock-up for a million different reasons even if
> you have it configured to what you believe is fool proof. Also, these
> programs require a top notch PC which is time consuming to get into and
does
> take you away from focusing on DJing. We all know that once we get into
> building the bomb system, we all go into geek mode and do more research
and
> shopping for the gear and components than we spend time on using it. It's
> all part of the whole "electronic/pc/gadget rat-race." And we're never
> satisfied either when we build the system... always doing more research
and
> upgrading. I bet the majority of people that have phat systems are have
> spent just as much time on it or more than they have actually using it for
> their main purpose of building it. So, now I pay some geek to build a
> system for me when I want one. But, about the stand alone unit.... I'm
> looking into get one myself and I definately see the value in it. A lot
of
> DJ manufacturers are starting to come out with dope units. I'm looking at
> the Denon and Numark. Pioneer really doesn't have a dual CD DJ system
that
> supports MP3s yet I don't think.
> But the Numark MPCD33 is only $499 U.S. and has a dual cd player with a
bpm
> counter. Check it out on the net. Looks like the best buy. Well, that's
> my opinion. The other guys probably wont agree because they already
replied
> with a rude comment to you, but hopefully this helped you and other people
> out there.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mr. Smith
>
>
>
> "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:B4oDb.14$p43.787@eagle.america.net...
> > Must be an ID 10T error.
> >
> >
> > "Zippy" <zippy@lostinspace.com> wrote in message
> > news:rtnDb.1102$tQ6.16862@wards.force9.net...
> > >
> > > "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> > > news:GYmDb.6$p43.702@eagle.america.net...
> > > I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.
> > >
> > > Totally agree. Got multiple systems out there. Clearly the guy either
> has
> > > shite hardware or is not very computer litterate. PEBKAC....
> > >
> > > Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Zippy

A standalone MP3/CD player can fail just as easily. A knock of a drawer, a
touch of condensation on a disc. Remember these are controlled by software
too :-)

Windows XP/2000 is as stable as a rock. FYI we've had systems running out
there both mobile and in sweaty smokey clubs for 2 years or so that have
never failed.

In the WIN98 days I would agree that the OS was not reliable enough but
their really is no issue now, other than the software you choose.

Ciberratt

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:39:39 -0800, "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote:

>Must be an ID 10T error.
>
>
>"Zippy" <zippy@lostinspace.com> wrote in message
>news:rtnDb.1102$tQ6.16862@wards.force9.net...
>>
>> "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>> news:GYmDb.6$p43.702@eagle.america.net...
>> I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.
>>
>> Totally agree. Got multiple systems out there. Clearly the guy either has
>> shite hardware or is not very computer litterate. PEBKAC....
>>
>> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
>>
>>
>

Or maybe he used warez versions that were flaky because they were not
'cracked' properly . . . .

ciberratt

Zippy

"Ciberratt" <ciberXrattX@XyaXhoo.com> wrote in message
"Or maybe he used warez versions that were flaky because they were not
> 'cracked' properly . . . ."

On a win 98 P2 400 with 2gb hdd and 128mb SD Ram

No - all piss taking aside - it's easy to understand the guys lack of
confidence on this. If you were rushed into hospital and had to undergo
emergency surgery, how would you feel if the various screens in the room had
that little MS [start] button in the corner......

A multitude of potential digital DJ's are put off by what they concieve to
be issues of reliability and it's a bit of a minefield. To my minds eye
having built close to 50 machines now specifically for DJ'ing (all out in
the field earning their owners easy money) I have got to thank Microsoft for
XP Home. Its got all the unnecessary crap cut out (IIS etc) and it stands as
stable as a rock.

There is also a big difference in DJ software. Having field tested a
multitude of packages the clear winner for cloning the twin cd player is
PCDJ Pro/Red. Whilst it has some graphical limitations it's solid and it
with xp home forms the basis of all my sellthrough systems now.

There are more gimicky and 'feature packed' suits like BPM, Traktor, atomix,
Otis but with the exception of BPM we've had issues with all of these.

The real bad apple at the moment sadly comes from the makers of the solid
PCDJ red, and is entitled PCDJ FX. I don't think you'll find anyone who has
paid good money on this or it's karaoke plugin able to put their hand on
their heart and say it's great or in any shape reliable.

I for one have no great concerns turning up to play any mobile or club gig
with a shuttle pc the size of a box of biscuits. It's no top spec or top end
but it delivers twin mp3 and karaoke accross 2 screens and refuses to let me
down AND comes in cheaper than a pair of good quailty CD Decks. PLUS no
crates of CD's or records to carry AND nearly every part within is user
replaceable and upgradable. It's just those old myths about stability to
slaughter and people will be coming onboard......

Dutch

Now no one here uses pirated software...

"Ciberratt" <ciberXrattX@XyaXhoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:39:39 -0800, "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote:
>
> >Must be an ID 10T error.
> >
> >
> >"Zippy" <zippy@lostinspace.com> wrote in message
> >news:rtnDb.1102$tQ6.16862@wards.force9.net...
> >>
> >> "Tim A" <tim@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> >> news:GYmDb.6$p43.702@eagle.america.net...
> >> I have been using PCDJ for quite some time and it is very stable.
> >>
> >> Totally agree. Got multiple systems out there. Clearly the guy either
has
> >> shite hardware or is not very computer litterate. PEBKAC....
> >>
> >> Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair
> >>
> >>
> >
>
> Or maybe he used warez versions that were flaky because they were not
> 'cracked' properly . . . .
>
> ciberratt

rfsmithX@eml.cc

Zippy wrote:
>
>
> A multitude of potential digital DJ's are put off by what they concieve to
> be issues of reliability and it's a bit of a minefield. To my minds eye
> having built close to 50 machines now specifically for DJ'ing (all out in
> the field earning their owners easy money) I have got to thank Microsoft for
> XP Home. Its got all the unnecessary crap cut out (IIS etc) and it stands as
> stable as a rock.
>
> There is also a big difference in DJ software. Having field tested a
> multitude of packages the clear winner for cloning the twin cd player is
> PCDJ Pro/Red.

What I don't get about PCDJ, and most other DJ programs
is the insistence that it must emulate a CD player.
To have a large portion of the screen area devoted to
simulated hardware doesn't seem reasonable to me.
The old design mantra, "Form follows Function" has been
thrown in the trash heap, and any design process that
might have reflected current technology has been cut off.
In this case, the form from a previous technology is
pasted in and made to work as best it can.

Not very original or exciting, in my opinion.

anjii

been using ots dj for the last 3 months and have no conflicts with op
systems and external 120 gig hardrive.

it's a lazy mans system and have used it too good effect...8 christmas party
nights done with no probs ...

regards

whisper












tried the
"see.kneel" <cneill@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Meekoe" <meekoe@cox.net> wrote in message
news:<zMdDb.10460$pY.3589@fed1read04>...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've used MJ Studio, Traktor, PCDJ (with the Numark Interface) and have
come
> > to the conclusion that any DJ software or DJ system connected to a
computer
> > is not suitable/stable for live performances. What I'd like to know is
if
> > anyone reading this post has knows of and has used a kick-ass stand
alone
> > unit. The only stand alone units I know of right now are CD/MP3 hybrid
DJ
> > players made by all the common brands like American DJ, Gemini, and the
high
> > end units made by Pioneer and Denon. Right now, I'm looking at the
Denon
> > DN-D9000 Dual CD/MP3 Player as being probably one of the best candidates
for
> > professional DJing with MP3s. Suggestions and comments are welcomed.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > meekoe
>
> You might try posting this question at
> alt.music.makers.dj
> or
> alt.music.mobile-djs
>
> see.kneel

c.reifert

"anjii" <anjii@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:brqrom$ldn$1@hercules.btinternet.com...
> been using ots dj for the last 3 months and have no conflicts with op
> systems and external 120 gig hardrive.
>
> it's a lazy mans system and have used it too good effect...8 christmas
party
> nights done with no probs ...
>
> regards
>
> whisper


I've tried that program, and enjoyed it as well. I ended up sticking with
Virtual DJ, as I don't need to worry as much about bpm (basically, I don't
even have to think -- just queue up 6 songs and I'm ready to go). Course, I
also use the program MP3 organizer so I can search quickly for a song or
artist if someone requests it.

Will